SURVEY: Devonport And The Rugby World Cup

Posted by on Apr 23, 2011 | 9 Comments

The local penguin population were ambivalent about the arrival of the Pumas

When surveyed, the local penguin population expressed ambivalence about the arrival of the Pumas

The discussion on Devonport’s role in the RWC has finally begun, and with a look at those commenting on the article, we appear to have the attention of most of those who can make a difference.

So in the interests of kicking off the debate with some possibilities, The Speculator has created a survey for the circulation of  ideas and the provision of feedback.

Take a moment to complete the short survey, and as the popular concepts emerge, we’ll amend the survey to reflect those.

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  1. GB says:

    Lets help save the Masonic further, by highlighting a need to have a large venue to stage/screen world events, by pushing for LIVE games to be screened there and events planned there also, not just at the Devo rugby clubrooms, so hope kill two birds with one stone maybe!

  2. boadicca says:

    How did you like the headlines today Oh Speckulum? An anticipated $500 million deficit (of taxpayers’ ie OUR money) on the Rugby World Cup. $12 million for an inflatable rubgy ball. $150 million for ‘hosting’ visiting dignitaries etc. When I think what we COULD do with that funding I… sputter sputter sputter…AAAAAARGH!

  3. Gertrude says:

    Right with you there Ruth – I have to tell this gross story just to demonstrate the depths to which Devo’s loos have sunk. Yesterday on the wharf I used my sleeve to open the doors because they looked so dirty and my sleeve STUCK TO THE HANDLE!!! Yuk!

  4. Ruth says:

    Suggest Devonport lays low until it can offer decent public toilet facilities for visitors.

  5. Boadicca says:

    A respectable response, Oh Speckulum, apart from the rather Blimpy ‘poppycock’. But acknowledging the importance of a cultural context and its representations of masculinity doesn’t equate to imagining that humans are a blank slate. They are indeed biocultural beings, infused (to varying degrees) with aggressive impulses. But humans differ critically from fungi in having reflexive consciousness which offers more choice about behaviour. True, aggression has not yet been conquered by this (or by what you have termed ‘civilisation’), but the fact that human groups do vary considerably in their levels of violent behaviour suggests that there is some potential for consciousness – and for culture – to have a transformative effect. We might therefore be optimistic and hope that evolution hasn’t stopped at the rugby stage. But as long as we are ‘nurtured’ with the idea that violent activities are (as Bill puts it) our ‘Distinct Heritage’ or a ‘Tradition’ to be valorised, it is difficult to progress to sporting activities that ‘express the soul’ without promoting aggression.
    Unapologetic as ever,

    A fair and reasonable response young lady. – Ed

  6. Bill Rayner says:

    As with so many other aspects of Devonport, Rugby is part of our distinct heritage with the North Shore Rugby Club founded in 1873, the earliest in Auckland and in debate with Nelson over who was first in New Zealand. The Club emblem is the family crest of the Wynyard family, prominent in the Club since that time, and who still are involved. The Wynyards provided a number of early All Blacks, as well two members of the first New Zealand Rugby League team, the All Golds, who toured the UK in 1908-9. Rugby League also had its roots in Devonport.

    As always our rich community heritage should be recognised, and be part of any Devonport World Cup activities, along with the commercial razzmatazz and inevitable quaffing opportunities.

  7. Boadicca says:

    So! I am not alone in finding rugby repugnant and boring. What a relief. I was beginning to think I was the only person in New Zealand who sees it as a testosterone-laden, tiresome bit of chest beating. But you are wrong, Oh Speckulum, if you think it is ‘only a game’. By hero-worshipping particular kinds of behaviour, rugby promotes an ideal of masculinity that valorises aggression and violence. Not good for women and kids. Not good for society in general. People imagine that sports provide an ‘alternative’ to war, by channelling and releasing such aggression, but this is not the case. Boys absorb their ideas about ‘what it takes to be a man’ from such activities, and inculcate these ideas by enacting them. In this way the notion of ‘fierce’ manhood is promoted and entrenched. In groups who valorise aggression through ‘sports’ of this kind (and obviously rugby is not the only one) there are notably higher levels of male-male violence, and violence against women and children. I’d rather see (male and female) kids learn to control their aggression and use their brains. They might turn out more interesting too…

    Bowzza – this is a bit of a diversion from the main issue, so I’ll be brief. Ish.

    This kind of view – popular in the 70s – is based upon a discredited and dangerous philosophical view propounded by the Skinnerians; that humans are mere blank slates, to be imprinted upon by their environment. We now know (as if it wasn’t obvious) that this is complete poppycock, and that in fact our behaviour is determined by a complex mix of genetics, epi-genetics and a dynamic relationship with the environment.

    Thanks to a few million years of evolution, the instinct for aggression is part of almost every males’ (and females’) genetic make-up. How do we know? We can observe it in all of nature’s kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Protista, Prokaryota or Monera (although it is less pronounced in the latter three, who have not evolved as much in the last few million years). It is part of the instinct to protect. It cannot be repressed. It can not be taught out. It is neither good nor evil, but is responsible for both. It is (one of the few) facts of life, unlike “talk about your feeling groups for young boys”, which do not generally exist in nature, or, despite all our evolution, in civilisation. Sports, like Art, are an expression of the human soul. Neither can, nor should, be the target for elimination. They also evolve. Where once we had bear-baiting, cock fighting and throwing Christians (or unruly Celts) to the lions, we have Rugby. You should be relieved. – Ed

  8. tobin says:

    I loathe rugby

    Loathe? Calm down Tobinsky; it’s only a game! – Ed

  9. Matilda says:

    Do I have to submit a comment with the survey?

    Nope – Ed

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