Marine Square: Roger Brittenden Does The Maths

Posted by on Feb 21, 2011 | 4 Comments

Roger Brittenden

Roger Brittenden

My analysis was done using Google Earth and the new plans shown in the Integrated Transport Assessment Report prepared by Tonkin and Taylor to count the number of car parks. I can’t guarantee my figures are totally accurate but they will be close.

It is important to understand where the loss of the car parks in the new plan occurs.

The Marine Square precinct is a limited time zone of 180 minutes.  The parking to the west of Marine Square is 24 hour.

Currently there are 66 car parks within the Marine Square precinct. (This includes the three in Queens Parade in front of the shops.)

Under the new plan there will be 63.  New parking on both sides of Queens Parade mitigates the loss in Marine Square.

However, there is a loss of 19 car parks where the three new “Kiss & Ride” platforms are planned.  These provide “Kiss & Ride” spaces for six cars.  I can’t imagine six “Kiss & Ride” cars arriving all at once. These platforms are excessive and if reduced to one to allow for two “Kiss and Ride” cars at any one time, at least 12 car parks could be reclaimed.  This would increase the planned 63 car parks to 75.

The big loss of car parks has occurred with the removal of the first line of the 24-hour parking to accommodate the realigning of the Marine Square exit to line up with Wynyard Street.  The first line currently contains 13 car parks.

Excluding the first line there are currently 108 car parks in the 24-hour zone by my count.  However, the new plan shows the bays have been realigned on a different angle and there appears to be a reduction of 17 car parks in this reconfiguration.  I note also a number of solid islands have been placed where the bays meet Queens Parade for safety reasons.  As there have been no reported accidents of cars exiting these parks, I think there is another eight to 11 that could be reclaimed here.

So the loss does not occur in Marine Square, in fact there could be an increase of the number for 180 minute car parking. That should be pleasing to Devonport Businesses, shoppers and those wanting to make a quick trip into the city.

The reduction takes place in 24 hour parking zone to the west.  Past research has shown that 80% of cars parked there during the day came from south of the Golf Course, which means the furthest any had to travel (Stanley Point, Cheltenham) was three kilometers. A more lateral approach to providing a “local” bus service might help solve the problem. Research also showed that the area was being abused by those who drove over from the city, parked and disappeared to Waiheke Island for the week – hence the area recently changed to 24 hour.

Finally, it must be remembered that the Regional Land Transport Strategy does not have in its list of priorities anything to enhance opportunities for those that want/need to use their vehicle to get to public transport. Indeed, it lists one of its main priorities as “Changing travel behaviours” so car parking is always going to be on the losing end.

I am sure, if pressured through the submission process to reduce the number of lost car parks, improvements to the plans could be made. My estimation is that at least 20 parks could be reclaimed.


  1. robert says:

    I agree the ideal is mini vans /dial a ride etc.It is a big waste to leave your car down at the ferry that is if you can get a space.We all havent got time to walk from stanley point etc but where are the options .Take out all the parking or most of it and give us alternatives.It is not rocket science.
    On another note has anyone thought about the visual implications of the new glass canopy for the esplanade hotel.I personally think it is a mistake to run a canopy in front of this wonderful building.The hotel was designed to be viewed as a prominent corner which will be sharply reduced by a structure obscuring its lines. Wake up Devonport before it is too late.

  2. James S says:

    Has any thought gone into having paid 24 hour parking with the proceeds from the parking being used to run a free bus service from Cheltenham and Stanley Bay?

    As it is our 3 year old is happy to scooter from SB to the ferry building and back so it isn’t like all the parking is actually needed if 80% of it comes from south of the golf course.

  3. TR says:

    thanks Roger Brittenden for providing this info. I agree that the real solution is effective linking public transport. There is plenty to be learned from other similar sized and located places around the world who have cost effectively solved their traffic problems. My favorite is Bainbridge Island off Seattle, in the USA,linked by a 35 minute ferry ride and similar in size and demographics to Devonport. The majority of commuters rely on public transport to get them to and from the ferry because all day parking near the ferry is costly, while linking mini bus fares are only $2 on all routes. Also available on the island when buses are not running are Dial-a-ride door to door services simply requiring a 24 hour booking (same $2 price), and ACCESS rides anywhere, any time for the elderly and disabled. There is even a guaranteed free ride home in emergencies. The whole Kitsap County transport system is well worth looking at (the island is linked by a bridge to the Olympic Peninsula so ferry traffic goes beyond the island). Here is the link:

  4. CJ says:

    Could some of the Marine Square parks be for a longer time? eg 4 or 5 hrs? Each ferry takes 15 mins, allow 15 mins to park, walk through ferry terminal, buy tickets and queue (at both ends) and this leaves 2hr 15 max to complete a “quick trip to the city” which might include bus trips, celebratory meals, visits to hospital, a film etc. Not enough time to be sure of not getting a ticket. And what if the ferry service is disrupted? For example it takes 1hr 30 to travel by ferry and bus to Mt Eden even with a bus service running every 15 mins from Britomart.

    If shoppers and visitors to Devonport need 3 hrs then ferry trippers need more and shouldn’t feel the need to race commuters to the 24 hour slots.

    Has any research been done on how long people are actually leaving their cars in the 3 hour slots? I suspect that ferry travelers rarely make it back within the time.

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